• DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora

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#1 DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 3 November 2024, 15:09
Witam,

Płyta główna: IPCFL-GL
GPU: N17P-G0-A1 (GTX 1050)
EC/KBC: SMSC SCH5553-NU
CPU: i5-8400

Mam problem ze sprzętem All-in-one marki Dell a mianowicie:
Po uruchomieniu komputera dioda na włączniku miga 2x szybko, krótka przerwa, 1 wolnej, sekwencja kodu błędu się powtarza.

W trakcie uruchomienia wszystkie napięcia są poprawne oprócz napięć procesora, są kompletnie nieobecne i nawet na sekundę się nie załączają.
Przetwornica faz procesor - NCP81220

Podmieniałem:
- Procesor
- Pamięć RAM
- BIOS (z tego forum)

żadnych zmian w działaniu płyty.
Jakich sygnałów potrzebuje ta przetwornica, żeby była poprawnie skonfigurowana?

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#2 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 5 November 2024, 08:24
Hello!

Measure the voltages to ground on pins 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 30 of the CPU power supply controller chip NCP81220.

#3 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by carrneiro 5 November 2024, 09:52
Jaki tam masz CPU?
Czy podmieniłeś na taki sam w tym sensie, że jeśli siedział i3 to też włożyłeś i3?

#4 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 5 November 2024, 17:47
Hello Matic,

matic wrote:Measure the voltages to ground on pins 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 30 of the CPU power supply controller chip NCP81220


When the board is running:

n.2 = 2,5V
n.3 = 1.05V
n.4 = 1.05V
n.5 = 1.05V
n.6 = 0.07V
n.7 = 3.79V
n.10 = 1.05V
n.30 = 0V

carrneiro wrote:Jaki tam masz CPU?
Czy podmieniłeś na taki sam w tym sensie, że jeśli siedział i3 to też włożyłeś i3?


Jak w temacie "CPU: i5-8400"
wcześniej był i7 - 8th

Mostek: SR405 - FH82H370

Stary procesor który miał takie samo zachowanie, został zamontowany w komputerze przez klienta, a pamięć RAM dołożył do laptopa i wszystko działa poprawnie.
Ja użyłem wyżej wymienionego (sprawnego i testowanego).

#5 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 6 November 2024, 16:38
Please, post a clear picture of the chip NCP81220 area of the board with a nearby surroundings.

#6 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 6 November 2024, 22:43
Please,
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#7 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 8 November 2024, 09:30
Please, post a picture of the same area from the other side of the board.

#8 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 8 November 2024, 10:16
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I have marked an area of ​​the layout and it seems that there is an element missing in one place? there are traces that something was there (marked next to the capacitor).

#9 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 8 November 2024, 13:05
The missing component is a resistor 2.2Ω/5%, package 0603.

#10 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 8 November 2024, 22:52
After installing the resistor, the voltages on the processor have returned, and all are correct, but during startup:

- The motherboard performs the correct 3 restarts after resetting the BIOS.
- After the third restart, the fan runs at full speed and then slows down to a normal speed after about a minute, with the power LED glowing white.
- After the third restart, the screen polarizes for a second, showing five white lines in the middle, and then they disappear after a second.


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I tried connecting an external monitor via HDMI, but no image is displayed. I checked the continuity of connections from the motherboard to the screen connector cable, and all connections are fine.

IC TSUMU88CDT9-1 also working (thermal imaging measurement)

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#11 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 9 November 2024, 18:23
dernis wrote:Podmieniałem:
- BIOS (z tego forum)
Reflash the BIOS chip again with the old (original) dump.

If it does not change anything, thoroughly inspect the entire board under the microscope for even more missing/physically damaged components.

#12 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 9 November 2024, 21:23
I found another missing element:

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Do you know what should be here?

#13 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 10 November 2024, 12:23
Use an ohmmeter and check, if one pad of the missing component is connected to the ground.

#14 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 10 November 2024, 12:36
n.1 - 60 ohm
n.2 - GND

#15 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 10 November 2024, 13:39
Remove the marked capacitor from the board, measure its value and use the same value for the missing component.
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#16 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 10 November 2024, 15:14
The capacitor has a capacity of 1200nF, I used 1uF (I don't have more capacity) to see if there would be any difference...
The effect is still the same, there are no more damaged elements on both sides of the board.
Bios also reprogrammed.

#17 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 10 November 2024, 17:36
dernis wrote:there are no more damaged elements on both sides of the board.
Double check, just in case...

#18 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 11 November 2024, 09:19
I checked six times for damaged components and traces on the PCB, but I didn’t find anything else—not even a scratch.

#19 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by matic 11 November 2024, 12:20
Measure the power consumption (in mA) of the board, when the machine is turned on with and without RAM memory connected.

#20 Re: DELL INSPIRON 24-5477 - brak zasilania procesora


by dernis 11 November 2024, 22:14
The board behaves as follows:
- Every time it's powered on, there is a current spike up to 1.44A, followed by a restart.
- After the restart, the current reaches 1.10A and then fluctuates in a cycle for about 20 seconds, alternating between 1.10A, 1.13A, and 1.16A in sequence.
- When I connect a keyboard to the USB port and press "Enter," the board resets. Additionally, the "Num Lock" and "Caps Lock" keys respond when pressed.

So it seems that the board has completed the POST procedure and is likely waiting for interaction, as I don't have a disk or any bootable media connected.

Without RAM, the board signals an error by holding the power LED on (blinking orange, similar to a missing CPU power error) with a current draw of 1.37A.

I checked the TCON board of the display panel, and the 3.3 V, 5 V, and 19 V voltages are present, so I ordered a new panel. I’ll let you know the result after installation.

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